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Stedoc · Jul 24, 2006, 04:06 AM // 04:06

what does it mean and what does it do for my sword?

Olfin Bedwere · Jul 24, 2006, 04:11 AM // 04:11

guildwiki is your friend.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Weapon_upgrade

Jetdoc · Jul 24, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

In short, absolutely nothing. Vampiric is your true friend.

zelira · Jul 24, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Armor penetration. 20% chance of 20% armor penetration.

Description: Sounds really good
Reality: It's sucks.

Vamp or Zealous.

Leighwyn · Jul 24, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Sundering gets better as your attack damage gets higher. Some use the mod as a swap when they are about to use a high-damage spike skill, since the extra 3-5 damage from vamp would be a drop in the water but a 1-in-5 chance at an extra 20-30 damage would potentially mean quite a bit.

blaise · Jul 24, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelira

Armor penetration. 20% chance of 20% armor penetration.

Description: Sounds really good
Reality: It's sucks.

Vamp or Zealous.

Hah! Agreed. Vamp FTW

SparhawkJC · Jul 24, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Originally Posted by Fender
posted this in another thread, but it is probably worth repeating here, with a little more information.

Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect vamp your damage increases over base by:
sword 8.8%
axe 8.4%
hammer 9.7%
bow 12.4%

Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect 20/20 sundering your damage increases over base by 4.6% for all weapons. Much better than the 1.1% a 10/10 sundering mod would get, but still well below vamp.

vamp vs AL 70
sword 10.4%
axe 10.0%
hammer 11.6%
bow 14.7%

sundering 20/20 vs AL 70 compared to base all weapons 6.4% (10/10 = 1.3%)

vamp vs AL 100
sword 17.6%
axe 16.9%
hammer 19.4%
bow 24.8%

sundering 20/20 vs AL 100 compared to base all weapons 8.3% (10/10 = 1.9%)

So, sundering still sucks, just not as much.

Vahn Roi · Jul 24, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leighwyn

Sundering gets better as your attack damage gets higher. Some use the mod as a swap when they are about to use a high-damage spike skill, since the extra 3-5 damage from vamp would be a drop in the water but a 1-in-5 chance at an extra 20-30 damage would potentially mean quite a bit.

Wouldn't it be more like 10-15 damage? How much damage do your spikes do without the sundering bonus?

Caelus The Fallen · Jul 24, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Use in a spike? How? Just what are you spiking with?
+dmg from attack skills is armour ignoring (calculated after armour) so Sundering isn't helping you except on the part of the damage that comes directly from the weapon (ie. its helping you no more than it would on a normal blow). Vampiric is far far far far far better (i cannot emphasize this enough).

The Muffen Man · Jul 24, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen

Use in a spike? How? Just what are you spiking with?
+dmg from attack skills is armour ignoring (calculated after armour) so Sundering isn't helping you except on the part of the damage that comes directly from the weapon (ie. its helping you no more than it would on a normal blow). Vampiric is far far far far far better (i cannot emphasize this enough).

Have you ever used sundering on a hammer

muhahahahaaaaaa

iressitable max on 60al 122 with sundering max 153 with vamp max 127

Caelus The Fallen · Jul 24, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage

Read it, learn it, live it.
Sundering decreases your enemies AL, and so multiplies your damage, however +dmg from skills comes in *after* this step and as such is not multiplied by the armour step. Sundering will not make an attack skill increase in damage more than it would make an ordinary attack.

The particular salient point is:
ED = [([RD × DScale× AE ] + DShift) × DMult] + DNeg

your sundering will increase the value of AE, and thus your damage is multiplied up, however AE does not multiply DShift (which includes the +xx damage from attack skills).

milias · Jul 24, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Muffen Man

Have you ever used sundering on a hammer

muhahahahaaaaaa

iressitable max on 60al 122 with sundering max 153 with vamp max 127

The main disadvantage of sundering is that it's unpredictable. You never know when it's going to kick in. So it's you're spiking, you can't really depend on chance to make your spike work. Vamp on the other hand, gives a constant +5 damage, which can be depended upon.

Jul 24, 2006, 04:06 AM // 04:06	#1
Stedoc Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: Me/R	Sundering what does it mean and what does it do for my sword?

Jul 24, 2006, 04:11 AM // 04:11	#2
Olfin Bedwere Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Profession: W/Mo	guildwiki is your friend. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Weapon_upgrade

Jul 24, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#3
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	In short, absolutely nothing. Vampiric is your true friend.

Jul 24, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35	#4
zelira Elite Guru Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: Me/	Armor penetration. 20% chance of 20% armor penetration. Description: Sounds really good Reality: It's sucks. Vamp or Zealous.

Jul 24, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41	#5
Leighwyn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Limbo Profession: Mo/E	Sundering gets better as your attack damage gets higher. Some use the mod as a swap when they are about to use a high-damage spike skill, since the extra 3-5 damage from vamp would be a drop in the water but a 1-in-5 chance at an extra 20-30 damage would potentially mean quite a bit.

Jul 24, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00	#7
SparhawkJC Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Amazon Basin Profession: R/Me	Originally Posted by Fender posted this in another thread, but it is probably worth repeating here, with a little more information. Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect vamp your damage increases over base by: sword 8.8% axe 8.4% hammer 9.7% bow 12.4% Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect 20/20 sundering your damage increases over base by 4.6% for all weapons. Much better than the 1.1% a 10/10 sundering mod would get, but still well below vamp. vamp vs AL 70 sword 10.4% axe 10.0% hammer 11.6% bow 14.7% sundering 20/20 vs AL 70 compared to base all weapons 6.4% (10/10 = 1.3%) vamp vs AL 100 sword 17.6% axe 16.9% hammer 19.4% bow 24.8% sundering 20/20 vs AL 100 compared to base all weapons 8.3% (10/10 = 1.9%) So, sundering still sucks, just not as much.

Jul 24, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50	#9
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	Use in a spike? How? Just what are you spiking with? +dmg from attack skills is armour ignoring (calculated after armour) so Sundering isn't helping you except on the part of the damage that comes directly from the weapon (ie. its helping you no more than it would on a normal blow). Vampiric is far far far far far better (i cannot emphasize this enough).

Jul 24, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#11
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage Read it, learn it, live it. Sundering decreases your enemies AL, and so multiplies your damage, however +dmg from skills comes in after this step and as such is not multiplied by the armour step. Sundering will not make an attack skill increase in damage more than it would make an ordinary attack. The particular salient point is: ED = [([RD × DScale× AE ] + DShift) × DMult] + DNeg your sundering will increase the value of AE, and thus your damage is multiplied up, however AE does not multiply DShift (which includes the +xx damage from attack skills).